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ASK-TELL-MAKE:  shutting down an attempt from an unknown

9/4/2014

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ASK-TELL-MAKE is a concept a woman can use to deal with unwanted help or attention from an insistent, pursuing man.  In a recent women’s self-defense class I had my girlfriend Liz lead a verbal scenario that Lee Morrison showed us during a private lesson, where a male pursuer offering to help a woman with her grocery bags.  In this scenario the woman feels uncomfortable with this person or her environment and does not want his help. 
 A simple solution for an option for dealing with this situation is:

ASK-politely
TELL-firmly
MAKE-as rude as possible



In the scenario, the man approaches the woman while she is loading groceries into the trunk of her car and says, 

“Hey, mind if I give you a hand with your bags?”

ASK- politely

She replies: “No thanks, I’m fine.”  In the first iteration, she says this politely.  Her tone is asking him to leave and she extends the palm of her hand out as a physical and psychological barrier expressing that she does not want him to come any closer.

Following up his denied attempt the man pushes with more with persistence,

“Come on, it’s no problem, let me help you out.”

TELL- firmly

In the second iteration she emphasizes being firm with her response, puts both hands out as a barrier and says, “I said, no-thank-you, I’m-fine.”  In this instance she pronounces the words more deliberately, as if the person does not understand English and she is irritated by his persistence. 

An important point that Morrison made was that anybody pushing beyond this second attempt has an agenda.  Street criminals and sexual predators use deception as a tool to get what they want.   A sexual assault/rape-type scenario does not always start with a physical assault or an aggressive escalation.   Many times it starts with a verbal engagement attempt.  Tactics can include saying things to convince you of trusting them or by using “forced teaming,” which is when a person implies that he has something in common with his chosen victim, acting as if they have a shared predicament, which they do not.

In the third instance, guy pushes even further, gets into her personal space and grabs for her bags,
 “I'm just gonna grab these and you can thank me later.”

Gavin DeBecker cites a similar example in the Gift of Fear, where a rapist who was attempting to coax his victim into letting him into her apartment and after initially resisting and said, “You know, there is such thing as being too proud.”  Understand that this third attempt could happen in several ways, including a play on your ego such as the examples above or the man getting into your space and grabbing your belongings, insisting to help by force.

For this example there are two main scenarios with respect to proximity. He has either closed distance completely and encroached on her personal space, possibly grabbing her belongings to help out against her will or has not completely closed the distance into her personal space.

MAKE- as rude as possible

In our class example the man encroached into her physical space grabbing her belongings, so she then shoves him and backs up to create space, yelling, “I said, back the f**k up! I don’t need your help!” 

Someone exhibiting this type of behavior might not back off with just being firm.  So in the third instance she is going to as rude as possible and adds for emphasis to her message by saying, “Back the F**K up!” The shove occurs only if the man has encroached on her physical space and she backs up to create space after shoving him, in case that she puts him into fight-or-flight mode to stay out of striking range.  The goal is flight-get him to leave.   

Going as rude as possible is important since:
  • You potentially draw outside attention to your situation, not that other people will help, but the potential pursuer may not want this attention and might flee.
  • You are asserting that you are not a passive, easy target.
  • You are getting yourself amped up in case this situation ends up going physical.

We have observed that many ladies that participate in this verbal scenario are hesitant to take the third stage to the required intensity of asserting themselves aggressively and using profanity.  If being rude and aggressive is difficult for you, it is something that requires practice.  If you have a friend or family member willing to work with you, role play this scenario with them and see how it feels. Make each repetition of the third stage more assertive and loud.  This is something that can be cultivated with practice and proper role-playing. 

Verbal assertiveness can deter undesired attention since predators are generally looking for easy targets.  However, this example does not delve into the escalation where extreme, physical measures are necessary to deal with the escalating violence.

We practice role-playing ASK-TELL-MAKE scenarios all of our women's courses.

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Evan Dzierzynski
NOVA Self Defense
Owner/Lead Coach

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Evan Dzierzynski link
7/6/2015 06:21:43 am

Please keep in mind that these tips are for when the person encroaching does NOT seem like an apparent threat (i.e.-they are using deceptive dialogue to appear friendly). If someone is moving aggressively or otherwise triggers an immediate bad vibe, you might be moving to other options!

Evan D.
Owner/Lead
NOVA Self Defense

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Anne
7/6/2015 10:19:46 am

Great article, but I disagree with the idea that being verbally assertive *requires* profanity. One can be insanely intense and explosive and not use profanity.

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Travis
7/7/2015 06:55:46 am

Hey Evan! Been a long time. Hope ur doing well. I understand Anne's point. I learned from Tony Blauer that
bad guys don't want to get caught, hurt, or for things to take too long. Creating as much attention to yourself is required and if you can turn a few more heads by dropping an "F" bomb, I say give yourself "poetic license" and do so. Just the suggestion of profanity caught Anne's attention.

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Evan
7/7/2015 07:17:22 am

Travis, great to hear from you! Agreed on turning heads by the added emphasis. Even though it is a drill and therefore "fake," when we do this at the Crossfit gym and my girlfriend yells, "Back the F**k up!" loudly and aggressively, the entire gym stops what they are doing and looks over to see what just happened. -Evan

Danielle
7/7/2015 09:44:07 am

Are you kidding? We need Miss Manners to remind us how to behave in a threatening situation?? If someone is making me feel uncomfortable I can and I will tell them in no uncertain terms to BACK THE FUCK UP!

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Evan Dzierzynski
7/6/2015 10:29:01 am

Hi Anne, thanks for your comment. To clarify- you do NOT have to use profanity! However, what we have witnessed in doing this drill is that *stressing going as rude as possible* with the verbal helps some folks assert themselves more loudly, and for some people encouraging or allowing them to utilize profanity helps them to do so. For those that are not comfortable with swearing- they still tend to yell louder and more assertively when provided with the option and the energy of others doing so. I'm ok with people just saying "Back up!" loudly and assertively without any profanity, and some people tend to get the words "Back up" out more easily. As a template- the whole takeaway is that this is an exercise in asserting yourself verbally that should be looked at outside the box. The feedback we have received is that this drill is an eye-opener for people who have never practiced asserting themselves verbally and have never practiced yelling in this type of context.

Best,

Evan D.
NOVA Self Defense

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mike
7/6/2015 11:25:35 am

great article. thanks for the info.

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charlie partsch
7/6/2015 12:35:04 pm

I have taught this in a similar manner. However , I want those I teach to be Situational Aware enough to start their confrontation before he is close enough to lay hands on. At a "hands on" distance he is close enough to use a knife or hidden blunt force weapon.
Being loud and using curse words brings unwanted attention to the thug. Good article , great info. Hope it gets used.

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Natalie link
7/7/2015 07:06:39 am

Hi there- Any chance you would consider publishing a version where the profanity was implied rather than explicitly spelled out? Like using asterisks or something along those lines? This is a fantastic piece and I want to share it with my readers but I don't want to suggest that they read the expletives. Thank you in advance! Great work!

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Evan D link
7/7/2015 07:14:24 am

Hi Natalie, changes made :) Happy to do it if that means more people will get this information. Thanks for offering to share it!

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Michelle
7/7/2015 10:48:42 pm

I was at a gathering in a home and the hostesses' brother tried to grab both my breasts as I exited the bathroom. I used both hands to push him away from me saying BACK THE F UP! He got belligerent, but it brought the attention I needed to that part of the house. Apparently he thought he could do as he pleased because I was in his sister's house!!! I got my purse, my friends and left that gathering. I can't imagine saying anything else at that point...

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Evan D
7/8/2015 12:10:18 am

Michelle, that's great that you asserted yourself & got out of there!
My main reason for advocating *as rude as possible with profanity* is that this person is pushing your boundaries and not respecting your assertion of "NO." He's looking for someone who will not fight back or make a scene so he can get what he wants.

What also concerns me from my experience coaching is that people who are uncomfortable with using profanity can have a more difficult path to actually using violence and fighting back aggressively (not in all cases).

It's amazing how many women have come forward and mentioned similar stories since posting this article.

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Kristen link
7/8/2015 03:46:19 am

How about backing up to give yourself space without the shove? Seems like initiating physical contact might not be prudent. I'm all for profanity and rudeness to make the point. In fact, if it makes them uncomfortable then all the better because that's what they've done to me. You could even add "You're making me uncomfortable so back the f*** up!"

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Evan D. link
7/8/2015 03:59:32 am

Hi Kristen-

Backing up *can* be an option depending on the setup of the scenario, for example, if you have space & there is enough distance between you & the person to back up safely, you can do that, and if the person continues to follow you, this could be time to escalate in your physical response. (I would consider continuous following and closing distance more of an attack/encroachment to do harm scenario, rather than "What's this guy's deal")


The premise of the shove is when you don't have space & the person has breached the plane of your space disregarding your verbal commands of "No"

If you're configured such that you can't back up & the person has already moved into your physical space, it could mean that the fight is starting, or it could mean that he is seeing if you are a pushover who will let him take his agenda further, whatever that may be.

The whole premise of doing this exercise is that the students start asking questions like yours, then we as the coaches make adjustments change the variables & see how they could respond differently, or what cues would lead to a significant escalation in response...

-for example- some situations require going straight to yelling and immediately adding in the shove

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Kristen
7/8/2015 04:21:04 am

Hi Evan,

Thanks for the response. I understand what you mean. Personally, if it even got to phase 2 (meaning he kept approaching and didn't accept my "polite" response), I'd more than likely advance straight to rudeness and tell him to back the f*** off. The sooner he knows I'm not an easy target, the better. Maybe that's just my personal style of "telling firmly." :)

chris
7/8/2015 09:43:33 am

Yeah, I don't think shoving is a good idea at all. Be verbally aggressive but if you feel the need to get physical I would just make that backing up or fleeing.

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Evan D. link
7/8/2015 10:46:48 am

Hi Chris- backing up or fleeing can be options if the scenario provides that you can do that, but that is not always the case.

For example- let's say a mom is at her car with a full grocery cart and has her infant with her, as she gets her kid set into the car-seat and someone approaches her for help and persists upon her assertion to back off.

Can she back up? How far can she back up? Can she run and abandon her child?

At some point everyone has to make the decision to go physical-you have to draw the line somewhere, whether that is a shove or taking the fight to the person will be dictated by the scenario and by the information he/she attains during this encounter.

Ken
7/8/2015 04:51:56 am

Always do what you need to do to defend yourself.
However, do be aware that merely touching someone without their consent is considered battery in most states. Thus, pushing a person back who has not touched you could put you in a situation where you might need to defend your actions in court.

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Evan D. link
7/8/2015 06:02:02 am

Hey Ken- agree to do whatever necessary to defend yourself.

There are some strange laws- however, it is to be considered that you have already asked the person twice to back off and he persisted and breached into your physical space. Could you be in a situation later with courts? Yes, its possible. With any self-defense situation you just need to articulate why you selected that action and why other options were not available (Could you run away? Could you have used a lower level of force? Why did you feel like you were in imminent danger?) I see it as being likely that a woman would have a problem with shoving a man that is encroaching into her space than vice-versa, though I am not an attorney.

Evan D.
Owner/Lead
NOVA Self Defense

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Mzfit
7/9/2015 05:09:46 pm

I had a big scary unkempt guy approach me in a parking lot when I was pushing my cart to the car. I was not armed. He came towards me saying, "Excuse me miss" and he either wanted a dollar or to rob my purse. I put the shopping cart sideways, put my hand in my purse, ( for my pretend gun!) looked him straight in the eye, and said VERY LOUDLY "It's not a good idea for you to approach me!" . He put his hands up, turned around and said 'I'm not approaching you' as he walked off. The end. Whew, my heart was about pounding out of my chest.

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Je
10/19/2016 09:09:01 am

Woah! Thanks for the idea.

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